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NOTE: I am talking about premades and cut-outs here, not ALL stock. And, not all premades and cut-outs are "bad." Just be careful!

I declined 2 photomanip DD suggestions today because the artists used stock (1 used a premade background and 1 used a cut-out psd file) from stock artists who did not say where their original sources came from.

These were really good suggestions, too, from amazing artists who truly deserve DDs. One of them has never had a DD before.

What am I ranting about now?

As an example, let's say you use an ivy psd file for your work. You need to know that the stock artist himself/herself took the picture of the ivy or that it comes from another legitimate source. Too many people pull images off of Google and cut them out to make "psd stock." So, if the stock artist doesn't say where they got the picture they used from, I would recommend not using it.

Likewise, a lot of people take stock pictures from sxc.hu or purchase them from dreamstime or shutterstock (or other similar places) and then make them into premade backgrounds. This is against the license agreement, which does not allow redistribution of the stock images. So, I cannot give you a DD for using these kinds of premade backgrounds.

EDIT: lenagold.ru specifically states that they get their images "from all over the Internet." That doesn't sound legitimate to me. Am I missing something?

These are not my rules! 

Aside from not getting DDs, another reason for making sure you know where the stock you use is coming from is that, if dA finds out that the stock is from an illegal source, it can be scrapped or deleted from the site . . . AND if it is, your deviation that you spent HOURS making can also be removed.

I think that's my biggest reason for turning down DDs (aside from low quality or lack of clear concept): improper stock (followed closely by no credits, as you saw yesterday).

A lot of people are wondering why they don't have DDs, and there is often a very simple reason. The good news is that it can be easily remedied in the future. :love:


Hope that helps. :heart:

Jade


Be careful when using premade backgrounds or cut-out stock!
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thefantasim Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013   Digital Artist
This is a good article with information that I didn't know. I must share it at my group.
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LadyEvilArts Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013   General Artist
Thank you for the information. I have a stock account where I provide hq cutouts besides common stock images. I've added a line to my stock rules saying that I'm uploading only my own photos and as for cutouts, wrote in comments "made from my own resources" so everyone who's going to download them could feel safe about their future artwork.
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Aeirmid Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013   Digital Artist
thanks. That makes a huge difference. :huggle:
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EveLivesey Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Professional Photographer
Jeez and here am I cutting out MY photos of dolphins - to offer as PNGs and make brushes and everyone is going to get scared off - (joke!). Can't we have some kind of accreditation process please so that people can make use of premades and PNGs that are legitimate? And as for stock photos - out of the top 20 or so most popular stock images in the last 24hours (yesterday) about half were stolen off some poor photographer or uploaded from wallpaper sites. Someone needs to get a grip or everyone is going to be frightened off using free stock!
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Aeirmid Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012   Digital Artist
I think what needs to happen is that if you are offering pngs or psds or anything you just need to say "this is from my own stock/photograph/whatever".
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EveLivesey Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Professional Photographer
But lots of people say that - doesn't make it true does it - that's the problem. There are a lot of stolen photos on DA where the person who uploaded them says that they took the photo..........
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Aeirmid Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012   Digital Artist
That's true. Save from running everything through tineye, I honestly don't have the answer then. I think the best we can do is go by the FAQs on the clipart sites and take artists at their words when they say that something is theirs. I personally tineye everything but even that is not a guarantee. I am really open to other suggestions and am talking with dA to see what their thoughts are, too.
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EveLivesey Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Professional Photographer
No - if you tineye'd some of my stuff it may come up on Flickr or my website - this is confusing for people (however I am lucky because I have always been known everywhere by my real name - so it's slightly less confusing). Also searching for something that has been cut-out by someone is difficult for the search engines as the background has been extracted. Unfortunately I think we need to clean up DA before we start telling people that they shouldn't download from other sites - the implication is that stock on DA is safe. Solution? I haven't got a clue :-)
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Aeirmid Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012   Digital Artist
Thank you for your thoughts. This is really helpful.
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EveLivesey Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012  Professional Photographer
Most welcome - right - off out to party now - have a very Happy New Year :-) :iconhnyplz:
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nudagimo Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012
Thank you very much for your help. I just can say you only should use tubes when there is a copyright of the photographer or the original artist on. Most of the tubes don't have this copyright and shouldn't be used for our works. The websites you named in your journal are known as bad sites where you can't take tubes from like dreamstime or shutterstock because you never know where the photos or the tubes come from and if you don't know the original photographer or artist you better don't take it.
I wish you a healthy and happy New Year! :hug: :iconnewyearplz:
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Aeirmid Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012   Digital Artist
Exactly. Thanks for backing me up on this. :hug:
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nudagimo Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2012
you are very welcome! :heart:
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tamaraR Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012   Digital Artist
That sucks. I guess I have to be more careful here on DA than as well when looking for stocks. I feel really bad for the people who's work was suggested as a DD and they don't get a DD because of stock issues. I'll be extra careful in the future. I really want to go to using only my own stock. But sometimes it's hard to make certain stock yourself because the photo you want can not be taken were you life. I guess matte painting would be a good alternative. But than it wouldn't be considered a photomanip. Or would it? How much of it can still be painted in your photomanipulation before it becomes a matte painting.
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Aeirmid Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012   Digital Artist
to be honest it is kind of a gray area. I have DD'd matte paintings before, as they can go in mixed media or photomanip. I'd say use your best judgment but that's not very helpful I know. We're actually working on sorting that out behind the scenes. :D
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eveningstars242 Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I know I don't comment on your journals often but I do read them all and I love that you offer lots of suggestions and help to make people more aware (of every topic you choose!) So now that I'm feeling inspired I think I may dig in my faves and see if any are DD worthy and then check the stock sources! I suggested a stock image last month and that person got a DD so maybe I'll be on a roll! lol !
Hope you had a great holiday!
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Aeirmid Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2012   Digital Artist
Yay! :w00t!: Look forward to reading your suggestions!
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eveningstars242 Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
:nod:
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charligal-stock Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2012  Professional General Artist
Thanks so much for writing these journals. Making artists aware of why they need to follow stock rules is really important and it makes my role as a stock artist that little bit easier :huggle:
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Aeirmid Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2012   Digital Artist
thanks :heart: I'm so glad!
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charligal-stock Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2012  Professional General Artist
:lol:
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phoenixleo Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2012
it can be scrapped or deleted from the site . . . AND your deviation that you spent HOURS making can be deleted with it.

Don't users get notified if their works are deleted or asked in a period of time to provide proof?
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Aeirmid Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2012   Digital Artist
I do believe so.
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phoenixleo Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2012
Hmm.
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iAmoret Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
I'm sorry. :saddummy:

That's why I don't use cutouts that aren't from the cutter-outter's own stock, or premades that aren't from dA resources. Honestly, unlicensed stock is one mess I DON'T need. :no:
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PirateLotus-Stock Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2012
Know what would be nice? If everyone followed the rules all the time! Blarg. :/
Siiiiigh, why can't the world be perfect XD It's such a constant fight! I guess we would have nothing to do all day if there weren't miscats and stolen art all over the place :giggle:

I'm glad you're helping with journals like this :heart: The energy you put in it is really inspiring ^.^
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Aeirmid Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2012   Digital Artist
Did you see the suggestion that we should do a PE week about this issue? Are you game?
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PirateLotus-Stock Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2012
Let's do it!
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iam-SHERLOCKED Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Snap. I use cut outs a lot. Crap XD. Well thanks for clarifying the procedure :).
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Aeirmid Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2012   Digital Artist
sure, and I'm not saying they're all bad.
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iam-SHERLOCKED Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
yeah, of course :)
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CelticStrm-Stock Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm sorry you had to decline those DDs. :( This sounds like a good opportunity to create a list of known legitimate outside resource websites that dA accepts as valid. The only outside website I trust 100% is FreeStock.ca and that is only because our very own *somadjinn owns the site and supplies the stock. Even sxc.hu isn't quite what it was before.

I've been trying to help the Premade Background genre with the group #Stock-For-Premades I made that only accepts legit dA stock to create them.It's going slow though. lol I guess it's just too easy to take a cool picture from another website and hope that they don't get caught. I've also tried to curb it by declining non-credited/non-valid premades with #The-Stock-Directory too. All premades have to be credited with legitimate stocks just like manips before I'll approve them. I'm about to embark on a massive premade cleanout of the gallery tonight to make double sure that they are valid resources. I know it may be a little paranoid, but if I don't see the camera info on the side of an unmanipulated stock image, I won't suggest it to the group.

I've noticed the issue with pre-cut stock too. I try to run them though tineye.com and google reverse search before I approve or decline the group submissions. I always make sure to keep the original files of my photos after I cut it out, that way if there is ever any question, I can provide proof.

It would be awesome if you, Lanny, and Erin could do a site-wide project educate on the subject and its impact on both communities (kind of like $techgnotic's fantastic articles.) Maybe it could bring awareness to a larger audience and help slow it down some. :glomp: I hope it gets better!
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Aeirmid Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2012   Digital Artist
that's a great idea. And thanks. :heart:
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CelticStrm-Stock Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You're welcome! :D I shared this article in the group blog here: [link] too.
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chryssalis Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2012
I don't say that you're wrong,but it is totally impossible for US to check the sources of the stocks...TOTALLY..
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Aeirmid Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2012   Digital Artist
I wasn't saying you should check the sources of the stocks... ALL the stocks. NO. I am talking specifically about premade backgrounds and cut-out stock. All I am asking is that when you are on the page to download the premade or the psd file that you look to see if they say where they got the stock. If they do not, use at your own risk.
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Aeirmid Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2012   Digital Artist
No, I know. I understand.
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odwild Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2012
This all stock madness is going way too far... with people taking images from anywhere and making them stock.
It's really annoying. Photomanipulators rely on stock images and not everyone can afford using only purchased stocks. Nevertheless, honesty and clear stock resources is a must.
Thanks, Jade.
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Aeirmid Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2012   Digital Artist
I agree.
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Nameda Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2012  Professional General Artist
But how does one know if it is legal or not? Even here on dA there is no guarantee :( I guess many use stock in the best believe that the page they got it from is legal. Meanwhile I rarely use resources outside dA but once in a while I do. But still I cant be sure unless I create anything myself
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Aeirmid Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2012   Digital Artist
I think the key is just to be to the best of your knowledge legal. So, like I said, check to see if they say "this is mine." If they do not, don't assume.

I mean, chances are they will never get removed or anything like that. I'm saying that I will not DD work that comes from iffy stock. It doesn't mean it's automatically illegal.
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Nameda Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2012  Professional General Artist
I understand, but for example as you know I make some stock too. I rarely write explicit its mine specially with the textures. Thus I assume when I see stock in the gallery of another deviant, he/she made it. Or this page I recently found: [link] that looks pretty legal to me! I know other pages where there are TOU's that differ from uploader to uploader, and I used them in the past, not for own stock but for my email stationary I did (non commercial), but back than I saw some uploaders do allow commercial use, so how can I be sure its all by the user. If they write its theirs I have to believe that (unless I see it is obvious not true, because of many different camera types)
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Aeirmid Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2012   Digital Artist
Also I'm specifically talking about premades and cut-outs. What you're talking about is flat-out stealing, which is also not legal but sometimes people just don't know something is stolen.
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Nameda Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2012  Professional General Artist
Yeah I know but its hard to tell in either case that / if something is legal or not. Even if you take the time to make an reverse image search its not said you will find out if its (partially) stolen. Its highly frustrating that you never can be sure its legal if you didnt make it yourself.
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Aeirmid Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2012   Digital Artist
Right, exactly. So from my perspective, it's easiest just not to use it if the artist doesn't say "all photos used to make this premade background are my own" (or "my own resources used," etc. etc. etc.)
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Nameda Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2012  Professional General Artist
do you see it that way for pre-made bg only or textures stockphotos etc?
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:iconaeirmid:
Aeirmid Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2012   Digital Artist
No, I'm talking about people who take other people's work and make "stock" out of it.
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Nameda Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2012  Professional General Artist
yes I understood that but how am I supposed to know that has happend? As I said I dont write with my own stock that it is by me. If I understand the article right that would mean if someone used my stock you wouldnt give him a DD because I don't explicitly write made by me, made by me in photoshop etc, own Photo etc. And as I don't write such, I am in good believe that the stock someone has made should be legal, unless something obviously looks suspicious, which is hard to say.
What unnerves me more is that some of my stock has been downloaded umpteen times, but the faves are not even 10% of the downloads :( (and I know the same problem from other stockers
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Aeirmid Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2012   Digital Artist
no no no. I'm talking about PREMADES and CUT-OUTS. Not stock in general. :)
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Nameda Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2012  Professional General Artist
ah that answers the question I just asked *lol* I will remember if I should make such stock to note according in the description
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