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Why credit and notify?

Tue May 29, 2012, 2:48 PM

Hi all,

It's your friendly neighborhood Photomanipulation and Stock & Resources CVs here, eager to tell you about a problem that has become increasingly common not only in the photomanipulation community, but also in other communities throughout dA. The problem is that people are neglecting to credit AND notify stock providers that they have used their materials.

 

What is the overall rule and guidance about crediting your stock?

If you want to use other people's resources (including but not limited to stock photographs, brushes, and presets), dA requires that you exactly follow the rules of usage that those individuals lay out in their license or stock rules. That invariably means that you must CREDIT them with a link to their homepage at least, and NOTIFY the providers by sending them a link to your deviation, preferrably by note. Some providers require a direct link to the exact image or resource that you used.

 

The key is that you need to do exactly as the resource providers ask you to do when using their resources.

 

This is the case also for stock and resource providers off of dA! You need to make sure they have a License that allows you to use their work to make derivative works (edit, change, alter, etc.). (Look for "License" on the stock site; it should be under "Terms and Conditions" or "About.")

 

For more answers, directly from dA:

FAQ #157: Can I use things created by other people in my submissions?

FAQ #217: What are "Stock and Resources" and can I use them in my submissions?

FAQ #257: What sort of permission do I need to use someone else's work?

FAQ #193: How do I prove that I had permission to use someone's work?

FAQ #557: Can I submit art which I have made using a "base" (or line art) created by someone else?

 

5 reasons it's silly NOT to credit and notify

 

1. It is unethical.

Stock artists put their time, money, and energy into making resources for you to use. The least you can do is say thank-you by following their rules (e.g., crediting and notifying if they so request).

 

2. It is illegal and against dA policy.

Not providing credit is tantamount to theft; the work that the stock provider did is not yours, no matter how much post-work you put into it. Using others' work and not crediting them the way they request to be credited is a copyright law violation and can reported to dA as such. [Note: Using ANYONE'S work without permission, whether you credit them or not, is also a copyright violation.]

 

3. You are missing out on free exposure.

Stock providers and friendly neighborhood photomanipulation CVs like to feature great works in our journals, news articles, groups, and other media. None of us will feature you if you are violating stock providers' terms of use by not crediting them in your artist's statement. Moreover, stock providers like to showcase great pieces of art that use their stock. If you don't tell them about the stock use, it is difficult for them to know about it and therefore to feature you.

 

4. You will not get a DD.

We will not DD pieces that do not abide by stock provider rules, no matter how fantastic the piece is. While we are at it, we would like to point out that we have come across MANY awesome deviations lately that would receive DDs if only they would credit stock providers properly! Some people have lost out on a lot of new watchers and fans, exposure, and excellent feedback because they didn't take the time to link and credit.

 

5. We will come after you.

We will hunt you down and hang you upside down by your toes, then flog you soundly until you agree to give proper credits. Or, we will have the owners of the stock report you and have your work removed as a copyright/permissions violation.

 

Frequently Asked Questions

 

1. Do I need to credit brushes?

Again, it depends on the stock provider's rules. Some do not require any credit at all; others require full credit. Be sure to read the terms of use thoroughly before downloading and using the brushes. Also keep in mind that some groups require you to credit every single resource you use, even if the stock providers do not. When in doubt, credit!

 

2. What about tutorials?

It depends on the tutorial creator's rules. Most tutorial writers at least want to be informed of the tutorial's use so they can see what you have done and know whether their hard work paid off.

 

3. What if the stocks all belong to me?

It would save all of us a lot of time and frustration if you would please just state so in your artist's comments. It would eliminate confusion and let us know that you're still a cool person who credits stock and resources. It only takes three words: ALL RESOURCES MINE.

 

4. Are direct links necessary?

Yes and no. dA does not require them except in the case that the stock provider does. Aeirmid strongly prefers but does not require them (YET!) for photomanipulation DD suggestions. Many groups also now require direct links. So, you should provide direct links, but you do not have to do so unless the stock artists require it.

 

Other resources

How and Why You Should Credit Your Stock ProvidersHiya Darlings,
Today I am going to tackle a subject that all photo manipulation artists should pay attention to. (Yes, this means you!) It is my hope that this article will save you the headache and trouble of getting a submission declined, having to delete your work, or worse; be sued by someone because of it.
Why Properly Crediting Stock Is Important
All artists know that the secret to a great manip is finding stock that is just right for the theme you are trying to convey. On :devart: there are literally thousands of fantastic high quality images that are absolutely free. Some of these images are even created by and featuring professional models and photographers.  You could pay a lot of money for the rights to use the type of stock resources in your art that are found here free of charge. This is part of why  :devart: is unique and an amazing place for artists to frequent.  
You’ll find that a lot of art groups, including :iconmani
:thumb239861946: PE S&R Sourcing Your ResourcesSourcing Your Resources
You may think that the creation and sharing of stock and resources is a no brainer.  Clearly however its not, and there are a growing number of deviants who for some reason or another seem to not be able to grasp the basic principles.
As the last article we will be launching for Stock & Resources Project Educate week, we are going to attempt to lay it out for you in clear and easy to understand terms.
What YOU own
The gallery details for stock and resources read:
Gallery Info: Resources & Stock Images
Resources submitted by deviants for others to use in their own works and/or learn from.
Gallery Info: Stock Images
Stock Photography which the provider has granted a licence for incorporation into other Deviant artists work.
By submitting work into the stock and resources galleries, be they a photograph of your cat, a pack of brushes you have created, a texture you have developed, or a tutorial you've spent weeks resea

 

Thanks! :peace:

Dan-Heffer Elandria Aeirmid

 



Brought to you with love by ^Dan-Heffer, ^Elandria, and ^SanguineVamp
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:iconevelivesey:
EveLivesey Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2015  Professional Photographer
I can see me noting a few people with a copy of this :giggle: Thank you!
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diana6echo Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
but dA itself do not follow rules - for weeks I'm reporting works which obviously are fanarts and which were not submitted to proper category, and many of those works received DD :| what's the point of those rules if staff ignore it :|
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SharonLeggDigitalArt Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
What is the role of group admins in these situations? Does dA expect us to 'police' these guidelines?
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:iconaeirmid:
Aeirmid Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2012   Digital Artist
No. It is up to all of us to be mindful in our own work but not to police. :)
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SharonLeggDigitalArt Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Thank you.
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BAproductions Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You are 100% right about how to use stock or any other resources BUT how-on-earth do you know that the problem, of not doing so, has, as you say,"become increasingly common"? How did you go about measuring that?
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:iconaeirmid:
Aeirmid Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2012   Digital Artist
Hi! When you are dealing with something on an everyday basis, you notice things increasing, like seeing works that do not credit their stock providers or, for stock providers, seeing works that use stocks that you KNOW are yours being pasted all over deviantART. More and more frequently, I go to add a deviation for a DD only to find there are no stocks provided. And I am in very close communication with the stock providers and CVs also listed on this article. They are telling me that they are also seeing a rise in people not letting them know or crediting them when using their stock. But, it becomes very evident that there is a change when you are seeing things occurring more frequently over time (i.e. becoming a trend).
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BAproductions Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
So basically you have a hunch.
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:iconelandria:
Elandria Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2012  Professional General Artist
Hello, I'd just like to add that we do extensive research before publishing articles like this, both from direct observations of how our galleries run on a day to day basis, and by regular contact and discussion with the members of our respective communities on what they experience.
We do not post these articles lightly, or make "issues" up to exaggerate or dramatise them.
Not only do we have our years of being members of our respective communities to draw from, but also our experience during our time volunteering, and the extensive combined experience of all our team members - both past and present.
We don't work on hunches when we have significant evidence at our disposal. :)
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BAproductions Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Basically I don't think you do. Art theft and copyright violations surely IS a problem, I'm not debating that at all. But when you say that it's an increasing problem, I just don't think you're right. You can't make general assumptions based on one persons(or a small groups) experiences. That is like saying that all dog owners are national socialist because Hitler was a dog owner. At best you might have a hunch, and we have no way of knowing if you're right or not. Personally I think that the aggregated level un-moral and illegal behaviour on DA is pretty stable over time. The percentage of rotten apples is pretty constant. So yeah, one or a couple of incidents probably made someone write this article, not a trend.
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Elandria Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2012  Professional General Artist
We will have to agree to disagree then, since I've seen the results Jade talks about in this article and spoken to the people affected by it and watched the issue grow at a vastly disproportionate rate other than what you are assuming to be fact.

Your are entitled of course to disagree with the article and the information if you so choose, but its not going to alter the evidence we have to support our statements, and since we have seen the substantial evidence of what we talk about its a little derogatory of you to imply that we are making general assumptions or working off a hunch just to be argumentative.
(Wouldn't your personal opinion also just be a hunch? Since you have no substantive evidence to support your own statement?) :shrug:
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BAproductions Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thank you so much for letting me disagree with the statement that there is a change in peoples general behaviour all over DA. I really appreciate it. This was never about anything else then the statement "...a problem that has become increasingly common not only in the photomanipulation community, but also in other communities throughout dA. The problem is that people are neglecting to credit AND notify stock providers that they have used their materials."

I pointed out that I doubt that it's increasing and this seemed to piss people off a lot. No one has yet told me how exactly, they know it's increasing, only talked a lot about theirs and others vast experience in the matter.

I also give you the permission to disagree with me.
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:iconelandria:
Elandria Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2012  Professional General Artist
Excellent.
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SharonLeggDigitalArt Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
It is not a hunch. When you deal with more than 200 groups and review over 5000 pieces of artwork a day, plus more than 3000 in your personal inbox, you see it. SanguineVamp is right on que with her statement.
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BAproductions Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
lol! Sure she is. ...and so good of you to step in and clearing things out.

If she sits for 8hrs a day and reviews 5000 pieces of artwork without a break she would then use approx 5.8 seconds per piece of art she reviews... Damn she is good. Also, does she have a day job? Does she ever sleep. Is she a robot or maybe from Crypton? (I haven't even counted the 3000 messages in her inbox or the 200 groups she deals with)
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:iconsharonleggdigitalart:
SharonLeggDigitalArt Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
And YOU, Sir are NOT a gentleman.
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BAproductions Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
And YOU are NO lady.
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kirilee Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
AMEN!!!!
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WDWParksGal Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2012
Well said. A great reference article to send out in stock groups, as well as a link stock providers can put in their list of rules. Or in my case, my "there are no rules" rules. :aww:
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Juli-SnowWhite Featured By Owner May 31, 2012   Digital Artist
I usually inform them by note. Or share a link on the page when they ask to.
At first I put the direct link to the stock images but after seeing that many people were doing manipulations exactly like mine, I decided to stop :(
If they want to copy they should at least look through the gallery of the stock owner and find the image.
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Aeirmid Featured By Owner May 31, 2012   Digital Artist
that's a good point, about copying. :| :hug:
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:icontylon:
Tylon Featured By Owner May 31, 2012  Professional Artist
When I use stock, I rarely use stock from DA. Although I do once in a great while, I always note the maker because my work I don't usually post on DA. I have my own websites I host and run; and usually I use the photos for manips and posters (no commercial), and I know often people on DA don't want their stock being used elsewhere, which is why I usually don't find/ use stock here. There have been a couple cases where it was allowed (same with brushes), and in that case I always credit with a link back along with a note TO the page on my site where the item is displayed.

I note any/every user on DA asking for permission if I use materials related to them, however rules also do change, which is why I prefer to use stock based sites like SXC, I feel much more comfortable and safer because the terms are well-established, and my University highly recommended them. I take everything I do very seriously; and while in the past I have used stock for fun- when it comes to anything commercial or even involving somebody else, I ensure I produce all of my own materials. I would never sell a print/ item with any material I, myself did not produce. When I use stock, it is for fun and ONLY fun. It is usually personal and for my own enjoyment.

I for the most part have been working on my own stock/ textures, so I won't have to rely on anybody else. This is important seeing that I am very involved with copyright/ cyber law, and like to produce my own materials to ensure my own legality. I also make sure my clients have 100% authentic, original material to avoid any issues legally.

My main issue is (at least for me), every artist has their own terms- and it gets confusing and turns me away, especially here on DA. I cannot keep track of this one and that one- I wish DA could some up with something that allows people to keep track of terms, or select one in a submission. On SXC and various stock sites, there are usually 2 sets of terms; personal and commercial. Maybe I am just odd feeling this way, but I would rather not use something than take any chances doing something I do not know, which could later change at any given time. I found out an old manipulation I did years ago (about 5 or so years); the terms changed this past year. So what happens then? I obviously wasn't notified, at first the author claimed it was ok to do this and this (post material with the stock elsewhere with credit), then they changed their mind in the new terms and claimed no longer were those things alright. I wouldn't have known these changes if I wasn't re-uploading all my old materials into my archives on my site, and was re-checking to make sure the links were still valid. So I of course removed the materials from my personal site, seeing they were now in violation of what the artist wanted.

That is my biggest concern. I think I would rather stick to creating my own materials rather than getting confused with all these terms. I think DA should implement something that allows terms of use, and when something changes the person I feel should get notified. It depends on how seriously people take it, and with infringement- it should be taken seriously. I understand some people just want to have fun, but after 4 years of college- it really has opened up my eyes how much credit is needed, and how serious to take the law.

That is just how I feel though. I don't really use stock, like I said before, but I have in the past. But those are some issues I have seen with stock here on DA. I am concerned for both the owner of the stock and the people using it; from what I have seen, there often seems to be a lot of miscommunication. Then if something changes... you could be in violation not even knowing you are.

Something I thought was interesting to post. Seeing that I honestly don't have the time to always check back to see if terms have changed, and in that case, I just figured better safe than sorry.
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Sirius-sdz Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2013
u can totally use any of my textures in any way possible, no need to ask, take down or inform. deviantart is not completely like that <3
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Snowy-Ninja Featured By Owner May 31, 2012  Professional General Artist
thank you, personally i like to see what people have created using my stock i always make it a rule to take time and comment and :+fav: of course. But i think there could be an easier way to credit stock resource providers, i remember seeing a suggestion a while ago about making it more simple to do... :/ but at the end of the day the people that don't credit may not read this!
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PaulineFrench Featured By Owner May 31, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I always link the thumb of the stock I use. If I lose the link I be sure to mention that it's stock and that I need help finding it again.

More people need to do this, and share the art D=
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:iconitti:
Itti Featured By Owner May 31, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
It annoys me when people just say "Tree by *deviant" or whatever. Would be much better if they gave a link. Both as interest for the people looking at the deviation and as pure courtesy to the person that provided the stock.
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danydiniz Featured By Owner May 31, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well said! :heart:
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ElaineSeleneStock Featured By Owner May 31, 2012  Student Photographer
Great article.

My two little tiny differences is I HATE it when people note me with there link to their work. Why? Because I can't keep track of all those notes! I would way rather have them comment on the image they used with their link. My second weird little difference is I also don't like it when there credits just link back to the picture they used. What if I deleted that photo? Then how would anyone find me? :(

But that's all just me...
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Elandria Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2012  Professional General Artist
Nobody said providing stock was the easy way to popularity. Providing stock means you also have a responsibility to actually maintain your gallery, and communicate with the artists who use and god forbid let you know they used your stock.

If you don't want to see the results of what people make with your work, make it all unrestricted, and tell people they don't need to notify you.
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ElaineSeleneStock Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2012  Student Photographer
I completely agree... what I stated was just a random bit of my opinion.

I do want to see peoples results. It just irks me when they note me rather than reading my rules and like my rules state: leaving the link to their work on the page of the image they used. :)

Otherwise yes, I agree with you and this perfectly.
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Elandria Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2012  Professional General Artist
:nod: Sadly asking people to leave comments on the original stock and not your front page or by note is a futile waste of time. Artists are a lazy bunch, most of the time I am glad they even notify me regardless of where they choose to do it lol

Things are much less stressful if you accept the fact that you are going to get notes, or front page comments or comments left on the originals with links to work created, its just how it is. :D
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ElaineSeleneStock Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2012  Student Photographer
That's true. I'm not really stressed about it, At this point I roll my eyes, spit out some profanity and let it blow on by out of my day. :XD: I do, however, recognize and appreciate how many people DO alert me to stock use properly. :) ( started a hard drive gallery of everything so I don't have to worry about others contributing to my sense of organization. :P
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ancestorsrelic Featured By Owner May 31, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes, you hit the nail on the head: I have such a case with one of my more popular works. In 2009 the account of the stock-artist was still active and the used stock was licensed to the public with a CC BY-SA license (the same i use for all my works too).
Now, in 2012, the account is deleted by the Deviant himself and so the the original resource too. Nevertheless, i let the credits with the now two dead links to the stock-page and the deleted account in the "Artists comments", but because that the deviant has left DA completely i have no proof anymore, that i used the stock legally :-(
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Elandria Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2012  Professional General Artist
The fact that you credited and linked to the work is enough. Don't worry if the stock provider later removes the original resource as everyone knows this happens on a fairly regular basis. By linking to the account as well as the original deviation it covers all bases. Not to mention that if somebody is really that interested in seeing the original stock they will take the time to click and review the link you give to locate the main account.
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dietcocaine Featured By Owner May 31, 2012   Writer
This is a great article, and very informative. Thank you so much for posting. Hopefully this will clear things up for some folks!
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DomesticHeart Featured By Owner May 31, 2012  Student Digital Artist
"We will come after you."
Yeah! Way to scare'em into abiding by the law of dA! :'D
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CrowsReign Featured By Owner May 31, 2012  Professional Photographer
excellent work dear!!!as a stock provider myself i find it very irritating to not be notified about works with my stock or if i randomly find them to see that there is nowhere my name on the credits!!!I'm telling you,this kind of behaviour made me stop submiting new stock for a long time!!
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TidalWavesStudio Featured By Owner May 31, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
As I general rule, always give credit. Sometimes people get real nasty if you don't, even when there's nothing saying that you have to give credit.
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Elandria Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2012  Professional General Artist
Regardless of the individual rules of the provider, its a submission requirement of DA who is hosting the artwork. It should be par for the course, sadly we all know how much attention is actually paid to the submission requirements :roll: I'm actually encouraged by all the positive comments on the article like yours. :)
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hellhowler Featured By Owner May 31, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I hate how such articles have to be written over and over again. And I still feel like most people reading them are the ones who already know all the rules.

I guess there are people who will try and find some way to screw you over even when you're giving them something for free.
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:iconelandria:
Elandria Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2012  Professional General Artist
Believe me, we feel like a broken record going on about it too!!
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Shadoweddancer Featured By Owner May 31, 2012   Digital Artist
Boy do I agree with this statement. I have one stock piece that literally has over 100K downloads but only a small portion of people following my rules. That's not to say that everyone that downloads uses the stock, but really... We fractalist have the same problems when we share parameters. We ask to see what others have done with them, but credit is not always given. Thank you for bring this to the attention of the DA community. Now lets hope enough offenders take note.
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aegiandyad Featured By Owner May 31, 2012
I used to forget to credit my own stock in the notes to my manips and extreme photo edits. I've since learned the importance of doing this. It will not be assumed by default that all stock used in a manip is your own. You have to note that explicitly. Don't forget to credit yourself if you want those DDs and acceptance of your work by groups.
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Elandria Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2012  Professional General Artist
Absolutely! Creates good habits and leaves no confusion! I wish more people did it!!
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SynBrittany Featured By Owner May 30, 2012
I absolutely love this document!

I just got done dealing with a person taking my stock, and posting it on another web site earlier today... It infuriates me to no end that people do this kind of things and think it's perfectly okay.
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Aeirmid Featured By Owner May 30, 2012   Digital Artist
OMG! Yes! I hate that you have to deal with that. :(
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SynBrittany Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2012
Yeah... it happens. :c
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Abarrelhorsegirl Featured By Owner May 30, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Now, I get that with Photo manipulators, but where does that come in with drawings? I loosely reference some stock images, and I only credit half the time, but if I only kind of follow the reference, is it really necessary?
Examples:
Referencing in general: [link] referencing this> [link] That's the heaviest I'll reference.
Lighter Ref: [link] LIGHTLY referencing this> [link]
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:iconelandria:
Elandria Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2012  Professional General Artist
Nobody is expecting you to credit every tiny little thing you looked at outside your window when you drew the picture, however, any significant contribution by another artist should be given due credit.

Don't forget its a submission requirement of DA that you give credit, not just the whim of the stock providers, and it doesn't matter if its traditional, or digital media you are using :)
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Selene-Blackthorn Featured By Owner May 30, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Seems heavy enough, I think... I reference sometimes much more loosely and still credit.
The credit thing isn't about copying off completely - but any artist giving his sources (even if it's "the tree outside the window" or "my sister posing for me") seems much more credible. Of course, n00bs might think you're cheating because you're not drawing from your head but "copying", yet if you are a serious artist you would know that people who really understand art appreciate it more if you have reference sources, and post them.
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